Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!

I have been a lurker for a while and haven't joined...but have been
suffering serious symptoms of EMF sensitivity for over a year. I've
tried numerous products and had no luck. I've been experiencing
especially heavy symptoms lately and finally got a meter to measure
what's going on in my house.

I know that the absolutely maximum safe magnetic field level is
supposed to be 3mG, with 1 being a better ideal... And I've read
several messages here on this group, expressing concerns over readings
of 5 mG...

...But there are only two rooms in my house that don't measure between
15 and 20 mG, and they are between 9 and 12! (Incidentally, one of
them is the room I have been sleeping in for the past year--the only
place I can sleep.)

In addition, the closer I got to the rear wall of our house, the
readings jumped up to 25. This wall is shared by both of my
childrens' bedrooms.

I find these readings quite alarming. HIGHLY alarming...
Has anyone else discovered readings this high in their homes? I am at
a loss for what to do, given the current housing market, etc.  

This house is killing me.

Any thoughts/red flags/advice? Is there any way, short of moving, to
ameliorate these levels? Could it be a grounding issue? Our house is
only 5 years old...

TIA,
Lisa

> ...But there are only two rooms in my house that don't measure between
> 15 and 20 mG, and they are between 9 and 12!
>
> In addition, the closer I got to the rear wall of our house, the
> readings jumped up to 25. This wall is shared by both of my
> childrens' bedrooms.

Start by repeating your measurements with the power off in your unit. That
means completely off, by turning off all power at the main.

If readings are significantly lower, then you have a chance of rectifying
the problem [as you have control over the source(s)].

If the readings do not change, then the sources are outside of your home and
this could be more difficult to address. Try to locate the source(s) and
report back for further ideas.

Emil

--- In [hidden email], "lessemf.com" <lessemf@...> wrote:
>
> > ...But there are only two rooms in my house that don't measure between
> > 15 and 20 mG, and they are between 9 and 12!
> >
> > In addition, the closer I got to the rear wall of our house, the
> > readings jumped up to 25. This wall is shared by both of my
> > childrens' bedrooms.
>
> Start by repeating your measurements with the power off in your
unit. That
> means completely off, by turning off all power at the main.
>
> If readings are significantly lower, then you have a chance of
rectifying
> the problem [as you have control over the source(s)].
>
> If the readings do not change, then the sources are outside of your
home and
> this could be more difficult to address. Try to locate the source(s)
and
> report back for further ideas.
>
> Emil
>
Well, I had not had a chance until today to check the levels outside
our house. Remember I mentioned that the rear wall of our house had a
very high reading...as I walked outside into the back yard, the
reading did not decrease significantly. In fact, the further I
walked, the higher the reading got. At the very rear of our yard,
running along the property line in the middle of the block, are the
power lines that supply all the houses on the block. They are not the
high-voltage kind, they are just regular lines. The average reading
in my backyard was 25 and 35 milligauss, and when I stood as near to
the power lines as I could, it went as high as 50. Holding it over my
head made it spike up to 100.

I held out a small amount of hope that shutting down the power to our
house would make much difference, and I was right. It cut the overall
readings by 1-3 milligauss or so.

Heck, even walking out the front door, the lowest reading I got was
all the way out by my mailbox, and even there it was 3 mG.

And yet I am finding that the tri-field meter I have is not really
well-equipped to measure the extremely low frequencies from cell
phones and wireless internet signals, etc. I know for a fact that
these are the worst of all for me, because being in a wi-fi zone is
like having someone stomp on my chest. I tried reading up about how
to measure these, and my head started spinning. It seems rather
complex. Can anyone explain the basics of measuring these fields in
layman's terms...and/or recommend an affordable way of doing it?

Thanks again,
Lisa

Either there's a ton of current in those power lines, or there's a water
line
under the street carrying a lot of the return current (or most likely both).

It's worth calling the power company to explain the readings are much
higher than the bioInitiative proposed limit (but far below the current
legal limit)
and you suspect a large current in the water lines. (This is a safety
hazard
for water line repair crews). The power company should see whether the
phases can be rebalanced to reduce the net current. If you get any
interference
on your TV or whatever you might also ask that they check for sparking or
other power quality issues. The trifield meter reads higher for dirty power

because it is frequency weighted.

Don't be too surprised if they think it's not a big deal. But I bet a lot
of power
company workers would not live in your house if they knew those readings.

Bill

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 PM, lthngsbrtnbtfl2 <[hidden email]>wrote:


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This is the worst case scenario. Very difficult to reduce this type of
field. You may want to inquire about active cancellation. Try:

EMF Services

15681 Sonoma Drive #201
Fort Myers, FL 33908

www.emfservices.com

[hidden email]

888-840-0668



> And yet I am finding that the tri-field meter I have is not really
> well-equipped to measure the extremely low frequencies from cell
> phones and wireless internet signals, etc. ...Can anyone explain the
> basics of measuring these fields in
> layman's terms...and/or recommend an affordable way of doing it?

It is not that complicated. The Trifield meter is not good for cellphones
because:
1- it is design only for VERY strong RF signals
2- it is designed for analog signals

All you need is a more sensitive meter, designed for digital signals. See
Electrosmog Meter at http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html#492 for example.

Emil

I have just bought the electrosmog meter listed on your link , not the first but the second one( ie the one without the bubble). I dont understand the measurements or what they mean  exactly.Could some one please explain , as the operating manual is not that extensive. In the RF mode the readings are in mw/m2 and dbm which are ? decibels.. My house in this mode is on average about 0.03. The LF function is measured in MG ( ? miligaus) and most readings tend to be about 0.55. My question is , is this ok? and what exactly is the difference between RF and LF. It has been mentioned before but i still dont get it.Also how do i tell if their are cell masts in the neighbourhood?
 
. The good thing though , is that when all the little red lights came on when my mum had her mobile on , I was finally able to demonstrate to her her of what it is exactly that im talking about. My feelingis that people without concrete evidence seem to think its all in ones head.
 
Ada



"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 21/10/08, lessemf.com <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: lessemf.com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 1:07 AM






This is the worst case scenario. Very difficult to reduce this type of
field. You may want to inquire about active cancellation. Try:

EMF Services

15681 Sonoma Drive #201
Fort Myers, FL 33908

www.emfservices. com

emf-info@emfservice s.com

888-840-0668

> And yet I am finding that the tri-field meter I have is not really
> well-equipped to measure the extremely low frequencies from cell
> phones and wireless internet signals, etc. ...Can anyone explain the
> basics of measuring these fields in
> layman's terms...and/ or recommend an affordable way of doing it?

It is not that complicated. The Trifield meter is not good for cellphones
because:
1- it is design only for VERY strong RF signals
2- it is designed for analog signals

All you need is a more sensitive meter, designed for digital signals. See
Electrosmog Meter at http://www.lessemf. com/rf.html# 492 for example.

Emil

 














     

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Dear Ada,

I will be happy to assist you . Sorry for the delayed reply.

mw/m2 and dBm are two different ways to express a radiation strength. You
can think of it as comparing pounds and kilograms as two qways to measure
weight.

Choose one or the other (whichever you are more confortable) and stick with
it.
A reading of 0.03 mW/m2 is pretty low.

0.55 mG is also pretty low. You can tell because only one green light will
illuminate. Bring the meter close to a strong magnetic source such as a hair
dryer, or circuit box and you will see the yellow and red lights illuminate.

LF is low frequency. This is the magnetic field you get from electricity
flowing
HF is high frequency. This is the wireless signals from cell towers, cell
phone, microwave ovens. etc.

Best Regards,

Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.
tel: +1-518-432-1550
fax: +1-309-422-4355
www.lessemf.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "ada iye" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!


I have just bought the electrosmog meter listed on your link , not the first
but the second one( ie the one without the bubble). I dont understand the
measurements or what they mean exactly.Could some one please explain , as
the operating manual is not that extensive. In the RF mode the readings are
in mw/m2 and dbm which are ? decibels.. My house in this mode is on average
about 0.03. The LF function is measured in MG ( ? miligaus) and most
readings tend to be about 0.55. My question is , is this ok? and what
exactly is the difference between RF and LF. It has been mentioned before
but i still dont get it.Also how do i tell if their are cell masts in the
neighbourhood?

. The good thing though , is that when all the little red lights came on
when my mum had her mobile on , I was finally able to demonstrate to her her
of what it is exactly that im talking about. My feeling is that people
without concrete evidence seem to think its all in ones head.

Ada



"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I
have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 21/10/08, lessemf.com <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: lessemf.com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 1:07 AM






This is the worst case scenario. Very difficult to reduce this type of
field. You may want to inquire about active cancellation. Try:

EMF Services

15681 Sonoma Drive #201
Fort Myers, FL 33908

www.emfservices. com

emf-info@emfservice s.com

888-840-0668

> And yet I am finding that the tri-field meter I have is not really
> well-equipped to measure the extremely low frequencies from cell
> phones and wireless internet signals, etc. ...Can anyone explain the
> basics of measuring these fields in
> layman's terms...and/ or recommend an affordable way of doing it?

It is not that complicated. The Trifield meter is not good for cellphones
because:
1- it is design only for VERY strong RF signals
2- it is designed for analog signals

All you need is a more sensitive meter, designed for digital signals. See
Electrosmog Meter at http://www.lessemf. com/rf.html# 492 for example.

Emil


















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Thanks very much, i appreciate the response. I must say I am really  happy with this meter and have been experimenting with it my self . In the LF  mode the house is generally  0.05 but the hot water pump in my bedroom goes up to as high as 50 mg when it is on. If i step back about a meter it goes down to 0.05 mg again , so im not quite sure what to make of that, is it still detrimental to my health if it drops  back to anormal level with distance?
Also i have one other question , with this meter how will i know if their is a cell phone mast around, the same goes for wi fi. The manual doesnt say.
 
 
Thanks
 
Ada


When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Fri, 31/10/08, lessemf.com <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: lessemf.com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 3:38 AM






Dear Ada,

I will be happy to assist you . Sorry for the delayed reply.

mw/m2 and dBm are two different ways to express a radiation strength. You
can think of it as comparing pounds and kilograms as two qways to measure
weight.

Choose one or the other (whichever you are more confortable) and stick with
it.
A reading of 0.03 mW/m2 is pretty low.

0.55 mG is also pretty low. You can tell because only one green light will
illuminate. Bring the meter close to a strong magnetic source such as a hair
dryer, or circuit box and you will see the yellow and red lights illuminate.

LF is low frequency. This is the magnetic field you get from electricity
flowing
HF is high frequency. This is the wireless signals from cell towers, cell
phone, microwave ovens. etc.

Best Regards,

Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.
tel: +1-518-432-1550
fax: +1-309-422-4355
www.lessemf. com

----- Original Message -----
From: "ada iye" <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!

I have just bought the electrosmog meter listed on your link , not the first
but the second one( ie the one without the bubble). I dont understand the
measurements or what they mean exactly.Could some one please explain , as
the operating manual is not that extensive. In the RF mode the readings are
in mw/m2 and dbm which are ? decibels.. My house in this mode is on average
about 0.03. The LF function is measured in MG ( ? miligaus) and most
readings tend to be about 0.55. My question is , is this ok? and what
exactly is the difference between RF and LF. It has been mentioned before
but i still dont get it.Also how do i tell if their are cell masts in the
neighbourhood?

. The good thing though , is that when all the little red lights came on
when my mum had her mobile on , I was finally able to demonstrate to her her
of what it is exactly that im talking about. My feeling is that people
without concrete evidence seem to think its all in ones head.

Ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I
have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 21/10/08, lessemf.com <lessemf@lessemf. com> wrote:

From: lessemf.com <lessemf@lessemf. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 1:07 AM

This is the worst case scenario. Very difficult to reduce this type of
field. You may want to inquire about active cancellation. Try:

EMF Services

15681 Sonoma Drive #201
Fort Myers, FL 33908

www.emfservices. com

emf-info@emfservice s.com

888-840-0668

> And yet I am finding that the tri-field meter I have is not really
> well-equipped to measure the extremely low frequencies from cell
> phones and wireless internet signals, etc. ...Can anyone explain the
> basics of measuring these fields in
> layman's terms...and/ or recommend an affordable way of doing it?

It is not that complicated. The Trifield meter is not good for cellphones
because:
1- it is design only for VERY strong RF signals
2- it is designed for analog signals

All you need is a more sensitive meter, designed for digital signals. See
Electrosmog Meter at http://www.lessemf. com/rf.html# 492 for example.

Emil

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ada iye wrote:
> In the LF mode the house is generally 0.05 but the hot water pump in my bedroom goes up to as high as 50 mg when it is on. If i step back about a meter it goes down to 0.05 mg again , so im not quite sure what to make of that, is it still detrimental to my health if it drops back to a normal level with distance?
>
Hi Ada,
Heating coils put out strong magnetic fields, as you have now seen. The
fact it drops off in only one meter, is very good.
It is different from measuring power lines, which can spread out 300 meters.

Explaining why it drops off fast, would be explained by the shape of the
"bubble", the strength at the center (imagine a gravity well), and how
the spiral of electrons are oriented, including the distance between hot
and return neutral.

It should not affect you if the meter shows you are outside of the
danger zone.

Stewart

Thats great , thank you.
 
ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sat, 1/11/08, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 6:50 AM






ada iye wrote:
> In the LF mode the house is generally 0.05 but the hot water pump in my bedroom goes up to as high as 50 mg when it is on. If i step back about a meter it goes down to 0.05 mg again , so im not quite sure what to make of that, is it still detrimental to my health if it drops back to a normal levelwith distance?
>
Hi Ada,
Heating coils put out strong magnetic fields, as you have now seen. The
fact it drops off in only one meter, is very good.
It is different from measuring power lines, which can spread out 300 meters.

Explaining why it drops off fast, would be explained by the shape of the
"bubble", the strength at the center (imagine a gravity well), and how
the spiral of electrons are oriented, including the distance between hot
and return neutral.

It should not affect you if the meter shows you are outside of the
danger zone.

Stewart

 














     

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In a message dated 10/31/2008 8:03:55 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

It should not affect you if the meter shows you are outside of the
danger zone.



PUK replies = Not so sure about the distance thing at this level, I am sure
that the pump will induce RF into the mains circuit locally giving off RF at
a range of frequencies (beyond the capability of the meter)local to the pump
and also via different points in the electrical wiring. I would treble the
distance that the meter shows is safe, although better to switch it off if not
really needed. The same goes for a host of electronic devices in the home,
TVs, hifis computers etc....


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I definitely think something ist  going on , because of the symptoms Iam having that I have described before. But all the readings for lf are low away from the electric meter , and the rf ranges are relatively low within the house. I am thinking of buying a mains conditioner , the quantumproducts dont work for the uk , so I am going to buy the english version. My question is  will these steady out these frequencies that may or may not be being dumped into the house circuitry?!
 
Thanks
 
Ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sat, 1/11/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 8:53 PM







In a message dated 10/31/2008 8:03:55 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
sandreas41@gmail. com writes:

It should not affect you if the meter shows you are outside of the
danger zone.

PUK replies = Not so sure about the distance thing at this level, I am sure
that the pump will induce RF into the mains circuit locally giving off RF at
a range of frequencies (beyond the capability of the meter)local to the pump
and also via different points in the electrical wiring. I would treble the
distance that the meter shows is safe, although better to switch it off if not
really needed. The same goes for a host of electronic devices in the home,
TVs, hifis computers etc....

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Ada
 
I have been following your posts with considerable interest since I am alsoposting from the UK and am having similar problems to you [as in going back to the home where I grew up to seek refuge from EMFs only to find things just as bad there too!]. I had been thinking of one of the quantum productsbut guess that I can stike them off my list if they don't work in the UK -can you tell me what this mains conditioner is you are going to try and where you can get one??
 
Take care and hope your symptoms improve
 
Steph


--- On Sat, 1/11/08, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 10:02 AM








I definitely think something ist  going on , because of the symptoms Iam having that I have described before. But all the readings for lf are low away from the electric meter , and the rf ranges are relatively low within the house. I am thinking of buying a mains conditioner , the quantumproducts dont work for the uk , so I am going to buy the english version. My question is  will these steady out these frequencies that may or may not be being dumped into the house circuitry?!
 
Thanks
 
Ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sat, 1/11/08, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 8:53 PM

In a message dated 10/31/2008 8:03:55 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
sandreas41@gmail. com writes:

It should not affect you if the meter shows you are outside of the
danger zone.

PUK replies = Not so sure about the distance thing at this level, I am sure
that the pump will induce RF into the mains circuit locally giving off RF at
a range of frequencies (beyond the capability of the meter)local to the pump
and also via different points in the electrical wiring. I would treble the
distance that the meter shows is safe, although better to switch it off if not
really needed. The same goes for a host of electronic devices in the home,
TVs, hifis computers etc....

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my god.. its horrendous isnt it? I know so how you feel , i really thought going home to mum would sort this out , but its worse in some ways. Any waymy plan is to try the english versions of the quantum products , here is the link. For russ andrews business ( as provided by marc from the group)
http://www.russandrews.com/  in the search part type in clarity mains  that will lead you to  clarity mains , click on that and that will show you at the bottom of its page  all the products that have themains conditioning technology that marc says is apparently based on the quantum products. I think marc said the clarity mains is similar to the quantum home. I think im going to try  one of the cheaper products first and if that doesnt help go for a quantum home with an adaptor. for the Uk.
 
I hope that helps. Stay in touch  let me know how you go.. Some times two heads are better than one. For me im praying this stuff workds , im getting desperate
 
 
Ada


"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sun, 2/11/08, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 9:05 AM






Hello Ada
 
I have been following your posts with considerable interest since I am alsoposting from the UK and am having similar problems to you [as in going back to the home where I grew up to seek refuge from EMFs only to find things just as bad there too!]. I had been thinking of one of the quantum productsbut guess that I can stike them off my list if they don't work in the UK -can you tell me what this mains conditioner is you are going to try and where you can get one??
 
Take care and hope your symptoms improve
 
Steph

--- On Sat, 1/11/08, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 10:02 AM

I definitely think something ist  going on , because of the symptoms Iam having that I have described before. But all the readings for lf are low away from the electric meter , and the rf ranges are relatively low within the house. I am thinking of buying a mains conditioner , the quantumproducts dont work for the uk , so I am going to buy the english version. My question is  will these steady out these frequencies that may or may not be being dumped into the house circuitry?!
 
Thanks
 
Ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sat, 1/11/08, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 8:53 PM

In a message dated 10/31/2008 8:03:55 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
sandreas41@gmail. com writes:

It should not affect you if the meter shows you are outside of the
danger zone.

PUK replies = Not so sure about the distance thing at this level, I am sure
that the pump will induce RF into the mains circuit locally giving off RF at
a range of frequencies (beyond the capability of the meter)local to the pump
and also via different points in the electrical wiring. I would treble the
distance that the meter shows is safe, although better to switch it off if not
really needed. The same goes for a host of electronic devices in the home,
TVs, hifis computers etc....

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> For russ andrews business ( as provided by
> marc from the group)
> http://www.russandrews.com/  in the search part type in clarity mains 
> that will lead you to  clarity mains , click on that and that will show
> you at the bottom of its page  all the products that have the mains
> conditioning technology that marc says is apparently based on the quantum
> products. I think marc said the clarity mains is similar to the quantum
> home.

Note that the only 2 products on that website that use the same type
of technology as the Quantum Home are the Clarity Mains and Clarity
Pro. The other products filter power lines, but using different
technology. Depending on what you respond to, each type of technology
may have different results, varying from making you feel better, making
no difference at all, or making you feel worse. Although if you feel
worse, you should attempt to ramp up your tolerance (by only using
it for parts of the day) over the course of a few / several days
to see if you are simply having an initial detox reaction that will go
away over time.

Also, note that plug-in devices aren't the only things which can be
effective. I make use of several "in my pocket" devices which work
quite well for me, which of course have the advantage that they
can be used wherever I go. But again, people's reactions to
these are rather hit-and-miss.

Marc

Thanks marc
 
ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

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--- On Mon, 3/11/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 3 November, 2008, 3:47 AM






> For russ andrews business ( as provided by
> marc from the group)
> http://www.russandr ews.com/  in the search part type in clarity mains 
> that will lead you to  clarity mains , click on that and that will show
> you at the bottom of its page  all the products that have the mains
> conditioning technology that marc says is apparently based on the quantum
> products. I think marc said the clarity mains is similar to the quantum
> home.

Note that the only 2 products on that website that use the same type
of technology as the Quantum Home are the Clarity Mains and Clarity
Pro. The other products filter power lines, but using different
technology. Depending on what you respond to, each type of technology
may have different results, varying from making you feel better, making
no difference at all, or making you feel worse. Although if you feel
worse, you should attempt to ramp up your tolerance (by only using
it for parts of the day) over the course of a few / several days
to see if you are simply having an initial detox reaction that will go
away over time.

Also, note that plug-in devices aren't the only things which can be
effective. I make use of several "in my pocket" devices which work
quite well for me, which of course have the advantage that they
can be used wherever I go. But again, people's reactions to
these are rather hit-and-miss.

Marc
 














     

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Thanks ada - I will check this out - I'm getting fairly desperate too - itsgot worse this year and I need to go back to my own home soon - or at least give it a try - I read Loni's posts on this site with half of me despairing for her and her situation and half of me despairing for all of us and what's happening to the world.
 
will definitely keep in touch - feel I can't talk to anyone about thisbecause they would just think I was mad
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 2/11/08, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 11:58 AM






my god.. its horrendous isnt it? I know so how you feel , i really thought going home to mum would sort this out , but its worse in some ways. Any waymy plan is to try the english versions of the quantum products , here is the link. For russ andrews business ( as provided by marc from the group)
http://www.russandr ews.com/  in the search part type in clarity mains  that will lead you to  clarity mains , click on that and that will show you at the bottom of its page  all the products that have themains conditioning technology that marc says is apparently based on the quantum products. I think marc said the clarity mains is similar to the quantum home. I think im going to try  one of the cheaper products first and if that doesnt help go for a quantum home with an adaptor. for the Uk.
 
I hope that helps. Stay in touch  let me know how you go.. Some times two heads are better than one. For me im praying this stuff workds , im getting desperate
 
 
Ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sun, 2/11/08, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 9:05 AM

Hello Ada
 
I have been following your posts with considerable interest since I am alsoposting from the UK and am having similar problems to you [as in going back to the home where I grew up to seek refuge from EMFs only to find things just as bad there too!]. I had been thinking of one of the quantum productsbut guess that I can stike them off my list if they don't work in the UK -can you tell me what this mains conditioner is you are going to try and where you can get one??
 
Take care and hope your symptoms improve
 
Steph

--- On Sat, 1/11/08, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 10:02 AM

I definitely think something ist  going on , because of the symptoms Iam having that I have described before. But all the readings for lf are low away from the electric meter , and the rf ranges are relatively low within the house. I am thinking of buying a mains conditioner , the quantumproducts dont work for the uk , so I am going to buy the english version. My question is  will these steady out these frequencies that may or may not be being dumped into the house circuitry?!
 
Thanks
 
Ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sat, 1/11/08, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 8:53 PM

In a message dated 10/31/2008 8:03:55 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
sandreas41@gmail. com writes:

It should not affect you if the meter shows you are outside of the
danger zone.

PUK replies = Not so sure about the distance thing at this level, I am sure
that the pump will induce RF into the mains circuit locally giving off RF at
a range of frequencies (beyond the capability of the meter)local to the pump
and also via different points in the electrical wiring. I would treble the
distance that the meter shows is safe, although better to switch it off if not
really needed. The same goes for a host of electronic devices in the home,
TVs, hifis computers etc....

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Hi Marc
 
thanks for the advice about the UK equivalents to the quantum products.
 
Re "in pocket devices" I have been looking at several websites for this type of thing, for example, BioProtective systems, Green 8 products and another one called the Safe Space Environmental Proctection card - have you [or throwing this out wider - has anyone on this group] tried any of these? of if you find other devices work which  have you found to be the most beneficial?
 
Take care
 
Steph
 


--- On Sun, 2/11/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ambient readings of 15-20 milligauss in my home...!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 4:47 PM






> For russ andrews business ( as provided by
> marc from the group)
> http://www.russandr ews.com/  in the search part type in clarity mains 
> that will lead you to  clarity mains , click on that and that will show
> you at the bottom of its page  all the products that have the mains
> conditioning technology that marc says is apparently based on the quantum
> products. I think marc said the clarity mains is similar to the quantum
> home.

Note that the only 2 products on that website that use the same type
of technology as the Quantum Home are the Clarity Mains and Clarity
Pro. The other products filter power lines, but using different
technology. Depending on what you respond to, each type of technology
may have different results, varying from making you feel better, making
no difference at all, or making you feel worse. Although if you feel
worse, you should attempt to ramp up your tolerance (by only using
it for parts of the day) over the course of a few / several days
to see if you are simply having an initial detox reaction that will go
away over time.

Also, note that plug-in devices aren't the only things which can be
effective. I make use of several "in my pocket" devices which work
quite well for me, which of course have the advantage that they
can be used wherever I go. But again, people's reactions to
these are rather hit-and-miss.

Marc
 














     

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> Re "in pocket devices" I have been looking at several websites for this
> type of thing, for example, BioProtective systems, Green 8 products and
> another one called the Safe Space Environmental Proctection card - have

Yes, I've tried a Green 8 -- the first time I used it, the energy
felt rather oppressive. Although lately I've tried it and felt no
difference.

I've also tried various Safe Space products, including the Environmental
Protection card. All of these give me anxiety / chest pains. I mailed
one of them to another list member, and they seemed to like it though.

I have not tried anything called "BioProtective".

The in-the-pocket devices that I've mostly used in the past year are
the Quantum Companion, Springlife Polarizer Pendant, Advanced Tachyon
Technologies wrist band (cut up into smaller, more tolerable pieces!),
Mega-Chi pendant, and the Personal Polarizer. I have a tendency to
rotate items over time and also use specific items under specific
circumstances (as my environment at work is quite different than
while sleeping, etc.). I would certainly prefer to use just one
device for all circumstances, but I appear to be too sensitive
for that to work. I suspect that with continued work on detox,
I will eventually be able to settle down to fewer items.

Marc