2nd day post-grounding observations

Talk about the emotional roller-coaster that comes with this
condition. Day 2 after the grounding of the home workstation was a
typical ES day for us. Not a surprise, but certainly disappointing.
As far as we can tell, all factors remained constant. Again, not
enough longitudinal data yet to draw real conclusions. It does seem
characteristic of ES, however, that you never know what combination
of what factors will produce a good result... Is it simply the case
that you can do everything "right" (attempt to replicate
circumstances which previously seemed to produce good results) and
still experience ES symptoms? This is a somewhat but not entirely
rhetorical question.

Cara

> Talk about the emotional roller-coaster that comes with this
> condition. Day 2 after the grounding of the home workstation was a
> typical ES day for us.

Three years ago, when I was just starting to have some success
in overcoming my problems, I would also have an occasional "good day".
And it would also be followed by the typical "back to normal".
I agree it's frustrating, as you cannot figure out what caused
the good day, but it should at least provide hope that this
condition *can* be solved...

By the way, didn't you also purchase a Quantum power strip?
I don't recall reading how that worked, or even if it arrived...

Marc

Cara,
I am sorry to hear about the roller-coaster. I too feel that on
occasion. The only time I've felt sustained relief and actual JOY is up
in the mountains about 8 thousand feet in the Sierras. I felt better
temporarily when I moved into our current house for a while and then I
slipped back down into the morass of pain and subtle depression. What I
think is happening is my body has become so sensitive that when I
removed the top layer of immediate causes, the next layer was exposed.
In my case, the TV towers 2 miles from my current home (that I thought
wouldn't be a problem). When ever I travel away from home to do weekend
retreats, I can feel the energy of the city and towers when I return.
Yes, I am building up my ability to withstand the EMF in any situation
with the various remedies and healthy solutions. And, in the meantime,
I am learning the amazing ability of my body to help me recognize the
pollutants around me.
It is frustrating being the canary sometimes. I chose to use it as a
gift in raising awareness around the microwave sickness issue and
hopefully a few less people will suffer like I have or get a brain
tumor, MS, etc.
Hang in there.
Andrew
On Jan 14, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Cara wrote:

I agree Marc, the experience of a good day, however short-lived, at
least affirms the possibility that good days are possible. We're
trying to keep that in mind as we muddle along.

Regarding the Quantum Power strip: yes, we ordered it (via the link
you provided), and have not yet received it. I followed up last week
and was told that they never received my order even though my payment
was accepted because "they no longer had that web site." They did say
that they would process my order asap, thanked me for my patience,
etc. I sent them a 2nd message asking for more information on the
mixup (i.e. what is their *new* web site address?) but have not heard
back from them on this.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
"you cannot figure out what caused
> the good day, but it should at least provide hope that this
> condition *can* be solved...
>
> By the way, didn't you also purchase a Quantum power strip?
> I don't recall reading how that worked, or even if it arrived...

> Regarding the Quantum Power strip: yes, we ordered it (via the link
> you provided), and have not yet received it. I followed up last week
> and was told that they never received my order even though my payment
> was accepted because "they no longer had that web site."

Which website did you order it from? www.QuantumProducts.com?

Marc

This has been my experience also, Cara. It is also typical of folk
with chemical sensitivity. I remember when I had my first
conversation with another person having significantly strong CS about
living with it. She kept describing how sometimes she'd feel great
one day after doing everything right, then not being able to replicate
it in the days afterward.

What Andrew shared around this is also intimately familiar. Change in
conditions can bring a new or previous equilibrium state. It is a
commonly observed phenomenon in homeopathic treatment and tracking of
chronic conditions like this. Exactly as Andrew pointed out, in the
absence of a major incitant our systems many times restructure
themselves into a new or previously experienced expression. This new
or previous expression may be the attempt by our now stronger systems
to deal with what is affecting them. And it can feel worse than
better. I can't say this is the case with your husband but it is
frequently the case in the process of healing from chronic illness.

Also, when I'm suddenly feeling better again, I sometimes
unintentionally overdo it while enjoying my newer, less symptomatic
state and the next day I'm worse off for it. I now try to still take
it easy when I'm feeling better, though the temptation to do more is
understandably strong after being restricted for so long.

There can also be environmental factors happening today which are
contributing, either local or global. Weather that is really cold or
really warm for an area usually brings with it a concurrent increase
in electricity usage, affecting the characteristics of the power
grid's emissions, especially through the creation of "dirty"
electrical patterns. This "dirty" electricity is the addition of
high-frequency harmonics, typically chaotic in amplitude and
frequency, on our wiring. And, nutty as is may sound to some, the
solar weather can contribute, too. Check, http://www.spaceweather.com
for present solar conditions. (Again, the changeover from a
long-standing environmental strong, weak or strong, can also bring a
reaction in some with ES.)

Electrical conditions during sleep also strongly contribute to how the
next day goes. Consciously undetected, strong fields might have been
present that could account for feeling poorly today. Did your husband
have a restless sleep?

Don't lose heart and best wishes,
Beau

--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:

Andrew brings up an interesting point about experiencing relief from
his ES symptoms while away from the city. My husband and I have been
speculating (idly, for now) about the extent to which geography
affects this condition. I.e., all other factors being equal, would an
ES person feel more relief in a mountainous area, desert, coastal, or
what?

I know we can't escape EMF sources altogether in this day and age,
and we're not packing our bags this minute, but if it ever comes to
that...I'd like to where we should go to improve our odds.

Any thoughts?

Cara

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
When ever I travel away from home to do weekend
> retreats, I can feel the energy of the city and towers when I
return.

> I know we can't escape EMF sources altogether in this day and age,
> and we're not packing our bags this minute, but if it ever comes to
> that...I'd like to where we should go to improve our odds.

Well, you could go where fewer people live, and where the air is
cleaner...

I was on Maui a month ago, and I had very little need for EMF
protection devices on the beach... :-)

Marc

Agree. Fewer people is fewer radiaton (is not none radiation, alas).
But how do you want to survive and have a useful life without people?
And without internet and all kind of electrical stuff? Charles moved
to Belgium. I moved from The Hague Center to Scheveningen (seaside)
(not a full success, since the street has a lot of dect telephones
and wlan networks). Some people move to the east of The Netherlands.
Not always successfully. Where do we have to move to? I was in
central Africa this summer and lots of mobile antenna's and mobile
telephones around, I even got some tinglings in my legs again! Is it
really useful to move to some area where there is no electricity and
no radiofrequent radiation (or almost none - radar e.g. is
everywhere)?

Frans

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I know we can't escape EMF sources altogether in this day and
age,
> > and we're not packing our bags this minute, but if it ever comes
to
> > that...I'd like to where we should go to improve our odds.
>
> Well, you could go where fewer people live, and where the air is
> cleaner...
>
> I was on Maui a month ago, and I had very little need for EMF
> protection devices on the beach... :-)
>
> Marc

My experience is that its good to experiment a little before making any
decisions about to where to move to. As each person's constitution is
unique - and as each particular geographic area is unique depending on
what man-made sources of EMR are there, and on geographic fields - it is
hard to recommend anything specific. However the good thing about being
away from cities (apart from clean air and a bit of peace) is that one
has better control of what one is being exposed to. Don't forget that a
high earth field is ameliorated by ELF, and vice versa.

Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: Cara [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2005 9:21 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: 2nd day post-grounding observations




Andrew brings up an interesting point about experiencing relief from
his ES symptoms while away from the city. My husband and I have been
speculating (idly, for now) about the extent to which geography
affects this condition. I.e., all other factors being equal, would an
ES person feel more relief in a mountainous area, desert, coastal, or
what?

I know we can't escape EMF sources altogether in this day and age,
and we're not packing our bags this minute, but if it ever comes to
that...I'd like to where we should go to improve our odds.

Any thoughts?

Cara

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: When
ever I travel away from home to do weekend
> retreats, I can feel the energy of the city and towers when I
return.







 
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I have also noticed that earth fields are higher in country areas - or a
lot more noticeable, not sure which - although these seem to vary. My
own conclusion is that this is because the very high ELF emissions in
cities couteracts high frequency natural earth fields.  

Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: franspppp [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 9:22 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: 2nd day post-grounding observations




Agree. Fewer people is fewer radiaton (is not none radiation, alas).
But how do you want to survive and have a useful life without people?
And without internet and all kind of electrical stuff? Charles moved
to Belgium. I moved from The Hague Center to Scheveningen (seaside)
(not a full success, since the street has a lot of dect telephones
and wlan networks). Some people move to the east of The Netherlands.
Not always successfully. Where do we have to move to? I was in
central Africa this summer and lots of mobile antenna's and mobile
telephones around, I even got some tinglings in my legs again! Is it
really useful to move to some area where there is no electricity and
no radiofrequent radiation (or almost none - radar e.g. is
everywhere)?

Frans

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I know we can't escape EMF sources altogether in this day and
age,
> > and we're not packing our bags this minute, but if it ever comes
to
> > that...I'd like to where we should go to improve our odds.
>
> Well, you could go where fewer people live, and where the air is
> cleaner...
>
> I was on Maui a month ago, and I had very little need for EMF
> protection devices on the beach... :-)
>
> Marc






 
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Was in a remote area when the shit hit the fan. Went back to holland (northso alright except when the kid had holidays and were playing around with the cellulars and i still had the beyond pain pains) to recupe and now I am back here in Costa Rica. Over here most cosomers have a cell phone, so I get very efficient working them out the door, if it is a big order and "the boss" is not around I ask them to turn it off. Of course here are the very faulty powerlines overhead and the just barely reach the tower calls that are negative. Might pick up some land fom a neighbour in time, gonna check itout. like the way he works, because he is one of these agricultulterers than uses Rudolph Steiner and geomancy. he is gonna help me plant around the farm I live on know as well.
 
Would advise to get a Feng Shui person with EMF-meter to do your house and see if there is enough improvement. (A Tachyon healer that is a medium tookone treatment to improve the situation where there was no pain with each phone. There are also energy workers that know about the indigo crystal transition, that work with tachyon and or hands on healing, I even had success with treatments of a medium that used my picture for access (prayer), or via the phone. There is sites where you can just leave a name to lihght a candle for someone and prayer groups that offer free service if you believe inthe power of prayer). Now I pray myself and I feel each pain of the whole sequence go out, not as pain but as a srting of energy. Almost there, some of it I feel now where it came in so i know it won't be long before I am free of this)

franspppp <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agree. Fewer people is fewer radiaton (is not none radiation, alas).
But how do you want to survive and have a useful life without people?
And without internet and all kind of electrical stuff? Charles moved
to Belgium. I moved from The Hague Center to Scheveningen (seaside)
(not a full success, since the street has a lot of dect telephones
and wlan networks). Some people move to the east of The Netherlands.
Not always successfully. Where do we have to move to? I was in
central Africa this summer and lots of mobile antenna's and mobile
telephones around, I even got some tinglings in my legs again! Is it
really useful to move to some area where there is no electricity and
no radiofrequent radiation (or almost none - radar e.g. is
everywhere)?

Frans

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I know we can't escape EMF sources altogether in this day and
age,
> > and we're not packing our bags this minute, but if it ever comes
to
> > that...I'd like to where we should go to improve our odds.
>
> Well, you could go where fewer people live, and where the air is
> cleaner...
>
> I was on Maui a month ago, and I had very little need for EMF
> protection devices on the beach... :-)
>
> Marc





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