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I have just been to a supermarket with fluorescent lights, and as always felt very uncomfortable there. My wife who is not (much) ES feels the same but to smaller extent... That makes me wonder more about the ES phenomenon...

As we know (please Charles correct if I am wrong!), fluorescent lights make no measurable radiation at the distance of 2 meters (the usual distance between the lights in supermarkets and the heads of customers). So what is the problem than? I see just two possible answers:

1. As we have spoken before, not the radiation itself is what discomfort us, but something else, what is just related to radiation somehow ("longitudinal waves", positive ions... or whatever).

2. Fluorescent lights flicker and make light oscillations, and that light oscillations annoy our nervous system.
According to some my correspondence of many years ago, some compare ES symptoms with epileptic seizures (a "tre petit mal" - "very little attack"). Epileptic seizures are efficiently induced by a flickering light (at neurologist's ordinations etc.) Also, I was told that anti-epileptic drugs help reduce ES manifestations (but I never tried, although I am planning to).
This theory looks sane to me, as that would have matched many other observations, including the fact that pulsed radiation is definitively found more problematic than continuous one... I am very inclined to theory that at extremely low levels, radiation is not any problem by itself, but by it's virtue to carry an information - particularly a malicious frequency that the brain unfortunately (dis)synchronizes with...

By the way, I have seen in the list of the members of this list the address of a doctor who's opinion on this particular issue could be very interesting, but as he remains silent, I am not going to name him. I would have appreciated his comments either to the list or directly to my address.


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Hello Drasko,

the radiation from fluorescent lights is quite good measurable.
The harmfull ingredients are the magnetic alternating fields, and they can
be quite strong.

In our building we had long fluorescent lights; I measured 70-90 nT (nano
Tesla)
With the renovating works, they have replaced them with shorter ones, (with
fluorescent lamp ballasts), and I measured now 8.000 nT.
(The architect thinks that I am a fool by pointing at this!)

One may observe in shops, where they have a lot of fluorescent lights, and
where they have lowered them on chains from the ceiling, that people run
away after 10-30 minutes exposure.
We have supermarkets (like Lidl), where the light are hanging about half a
meter above the heads of the customers.

Yesterday, I was in a do-it-yourself shop. The light hang about 2 meters
high.
Some only measured 70 nT, others 300 nT.
I measured with my arm outstretched, with a 3D Teslameter.

Electrosensible people may react also to normal light bulbs, hanging over a
dinner table, etc.

I have an automatic coffee espresso machine; coffe beans and water, and the
espresso is coming out.
Even when the machine is on *out*, it gives 6.500 nT. Turning the plug does
not help.
Only pulling the plug (or placing a plug with a switch that closes both
pins, can help here).

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 21:28
Subject: [eSens] theory


> I have just been to a supermarket with fluorescent lights, and as always
felt very uncomfortable there. My wife who is not (much) ES feels the same
but to smaller extent... That makes me wonder more about the ES
phenomenon...
>
> As we know (please Charles correct if I am wrong!), fluorescent lights
make no measurable radiation at the distance of 2 meters (the usual distance
between the lights in supermarkets and the heads of customers). So what is
the problem than? I see just two possible answers:
>
> 1. As we have spoken before, not the radiation itself is what discomfort
us, but something else, what is just related to radiation somehow
("longitudinal waves", positive ions... or whatever).
>
> 2. Fluorescent lights flicker and make light oscillations, and that light
oscillations annoy our nervous system.
> According to some my correspondence of many years ago, some compare ES
symptoms with epileptic seizures (a "tre petit mal" - "very little attack").
Epileptic seizures are efficiently induced by a flickering light (at
neurologist's ordinations etc.) Also, I was told that anti-epileptic drugs
help reduce ES manifestations (but I never tried, although I am planning
to).
> This theory looks sane to me, as that would have matched many other
observations, including the fact that pulsed radiation is definitively found
more problematic than continuous one... I am very inclined to theory that at
extremely low levels, radiation is not any problem by itself, but by it's
virtue to carry an information - particularly a malicious frequency that the
brain unfortunately (dis)synchronizes with...
>
> By the way, I have seen in the list of the members of this list the
address of a doctor who's opinion on this particular issue could be very
interesting, but as he remains silent, I am not going to name him. I would
have appreciated his comments either to the list or directly to my address.

Hi Drasko

There is also the possibility that the ballasts of the fluoro lights are
causing transients (high energy, high frequency spikes) to be transmitted
throughout a building. You could also be feeling the effects of these, or a
combination of things. An interesting experiment could be to have someone lead
you through a number of environments, including a supermarket, with your entire
body shielded from light (especially your eyes). You could record any
sensations and therefore theoretically see what influence the lights have on
your body, compared with other frequencies of electromagnetic radiation. It's
interesting to remember that light from fluoros is also a 50Hz pulsed EM
radiation....

-----Original Message-----
From: Drasko Cvijovic [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2004 4:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] theory

I have just been to a supermarket with fluorescent lights, and as always felt
very uncomfortable there. My wife who is not (much) ES feels the same but to
smaller extent... That makes me wonder more about the ES phenomenon...

As we know (please Charles correct if I am wrong!), fluorescent lights make no
measurable radiation at the distance of 2 meters (the usual distance between
the lights in supermarkets and the heads of customers). So what is the problem
than? I see just two possible answers:

1. As we have spoken before, not the radiation itself is what discomfort us,
but something else, what is just related to radiation somehow ("longitudinal
waves", positive ions... or whatever).

2. Fluorescent lights flicker and make light oscillations, and that light
oscillations annoy our nervous system.
According to some my correspondence of many years ago, some compare ES symptoms
with epileptic seizures (a "tre petit mal" - "very little attack"). Epileptic
seizures are efficiently induced by a flickering light (at neurologist's
ordinations etc.) Also, I was told that anti-epileptic drugs help reduce ES
manifestations (but I never tried, although I am planning to).
This theory looks sane to me, as that would have matched many other
observations, including the fact that pulsed radiation is definitively found
more problematic than continuous one... I am very inclined to theory that at
extremely low levels, radiation is not any problem by itself, but by it's
virtue to carry an information - particularly a malicious frequency that the
brain unfortunately (dis)synchronizes with...

By the way, I have seen in the list of the members of this list the address of
a doctor who's opinion on this particular issue could be very interesting, but
as he remains silent, I am not going to name him. I would have appreciated his
comments either to the list or directly to my address.


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Hello, Charles,
Thank you very much for your response to my inquiry about the fluorescent
lights! That concerns me very much, so I would appreciate any further
correspondence that could lead to final carifying of the issue!..

I have just returned from the supremarket, where I went just to check the
readings and detected with a simple Gaussmeter a reading of say 20nT (=0.2
mG), what matched my previous observations. As you would probably agree,
even it was, as you found, up to 100-200nT (1mG), it still falls within
average urban pollution!! You would never ever hear anybody (except us - ES
people) complaining at a 1mG field that is often found in big buildings, but
some 30% of population complains at fluorescent lights (and leave
supermarkets quickly) - why??

(By the way - my meters are not reliable at kHz range - have you tested
fluorescent lights in that range? )

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] theory


> Hello Drasko,
>
> the radiation from fluorescent lights is quite good measurable.
> The harmfull ingredients are the magnetic alternating fields, and they can
> be quite strong.
>
> In our building we had long fluorescent lights; I measured 70-90 nT (nano
> Tesla)
> With the renovating works, they have replaced them with shorter ones,
(with a
> dinner table, etc.
>
> I have an automatic coffee espresso machine; coffe beans and water, and
the
> espresso is coming out.
> Even when the machine is on *out*, it gives 6.500 nT. Turning the plug
does distance
> between the lights in supermarkets and the heads of customers). So what is
> the problem than? I see just two possible answers:
> >
> > 1. As we have spoken before, not the radiation itself is what discomfort
> us, but something else, what is just related to radiation somehow
> ("longitudinal waves", positive ions... or whatever).
> >
> > 2. Fluorescent lights flicker and make light oscillations, and that
light
> oscillations annoy our nervous system.
> > According to some my correspondence of many years ago, some compare ES
> symptoms with epileptic seizures (a "tre petit mal" - "very little
attack").
> Epileptic seizures are efficiently induced by a flickering light (at
> neurologist's ordinations etc.) Also, I was told that anti-epileptic drugs
> help reduce ES manifestations (but I never tried, although I am planning
> to).
> > This theory looks sane to me, as that would have matched many other
> observations, including the fact that pulsed radiation is definitively
found
> more problematic than continuous one... I am very inclined to theory that
at
> extremely low levels, radiation is not any problem by itself, but by it's
> virtue to carry an information - particularly a malicious frequency that
the
> brain unfortunately (dis)synchronizes with...
> >
> > By the way, I have seen in the list of the members of this list the
> address of a doctor who's opinion on this particular issue could be very
> interesting, but as he remains silent, I am not going to name him. I would
> have appreciated his comments either to the list or directly to my
address.

Yes, Lachlan, thanks, it is a good idea to check my "theory" that way! (Just
I have to make it at home, in supermarket it would have been rather
strange...)

Dasko